Exploring the Transformational Journey of Midlife: A Conversation with Rose Wippich

This week, Kim and Rose Wippich explore the transformational journey through midlife—focusing on courage, self-reinvention, boundaries, and authentic visibility. They share practical insights and personal stories that empower women to live fully, boldly, and with intention.

Key Topics Covered:

• The importance of questioning and evolving our identity in midlife, moving beyond old roles like mother, partner, and professional.
• How to embrace change and repurpose skills and experiences as opportunities for growth.
• Navigating the fears and courage needed to step into new ventures and express yourself authentically.
• The significance of setting boundaries and protecting your energy, including digital detox and energetic boundaries with others.
• Redefining success based on inner fulfillment rather than societal or external expectations.
• The power of visibility: embracing your voice, sharing your story, and radiating confidence.
• The evolving dynamics of friendship and connection, and the importance of creating a tribe that supports your growth.
• The role of joy, contentment, and following what lights you up as a foundation for living a fulfilling life.
• Dreaming anew—how long-held aspirations can come full circle at any age.

Rose Wippich is an Energy Alchemist, Reiki Master Teacher, qigong and yoga instructor, and author of Empress Rising. Through her book, podcast, and teaching, Rose inspires and guides women in midlife to reclaim their energy, identity, and voice — and step boldly into their Empress years.

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Website: rosewippich.com  

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Transcript

Kim Benoy: Hello everyone. Today on this episode, we are going to explore the courage it takes to move through midlife, the courage to question old roles, to make changes and to step into what's next with honesty and heart. And for me, midlife is also about sovereignty, reclaiming your energy, trusting your inner wisdom and choosing how you want to live rather than who you've been expected to be.

Kim Benoy: So for those of you who don't know me yet, I am Kim Benoy and I am the host of a podcast called Midlife with Courage. And today Rose and I are going to do a little something different. We're going to talk with each other and share this episode with our own audiences. So it's going to be a fun experiment. Rose and I connected online and we have so many things in common which we might get into that later but we just have this connection that we want to both help midlife women in our own ways but we can do it even better together so that's where this came from.

Rose Wippich: Hi, I'm Rose Wippich and this is Chat Off The Mat along with Midlife With Courage with Kim Benoy. And I'm really excited about this episode because Kim and I met very briefly and we knew right away that we wanted to collaborate on something a little bit more powerful. you know, power comes in numbers.

Rose Wippich: On this episode, we're collaborating on the topic of midlife with courage and also sovereignty. So I'm really excited to be here with you, Kim. Yes, this is going to be so fun. I love a challenge and, it's a fun challenge. So yeah, this is great. Yeah. All right. So let's just get right into it. We're going to talk about several different topics, but we want to start out with our identity and reinvention and a lot of women at this point ask, who am I now? And that's a big question, right? we want to think about what parts of our identity are shifting in midlife. Because we do, we change and we evolve. And when I think about this question, I think of the roles I've had in my life. Parenting probably is my number one, and how that changes as our kids get older and they start leaving the house. Now Rose and I are at two different stages with that. But we both have twins. We both have twins. Yes. there's one of those things that we have in common. So, I was a very young twin mom and, you came into the role as, a woman with more wisdom. Yes. And less energy. Yes.

Kim Benoy: One of the roles in my life has been as a nurse. nursing for 27 years as a registered nurse and left that profession a few years ago and haven't looked back, but I still have that caretaking role in my mind. And as we get into midlife, I feel we need to start taking care of ourselves, make that more of a priority than taking care of everybody else. And so that's kind of where I'm at right now with that, where that part of my identity has been shifting a little bit. What about you, Rose?

Rose Wippich: Yeah, I love that you said that. I think that as women, have so many identities, so many labels, so many things that we've done that parts of ourselves get lost in those. And I really have been coming up, I don't know, Spirit is guiding me to really talk about returning to the self. Because we lose parts of ourselves and some of the parts that we lose are okay, like we're shedding those old things, but we still are, you know, the partner and the mom and the daughters and the caretakers and the people pleasers and all those things. And I think when we start to let go of some of those things and really think about what we want to do in our lives. And, you know, as we get older, our life gets shorter. So like we have like, you know, wow, I want to travel or I want to reinvent myself or not. I really like doing that. I'd like to spend more time like that. We really need to honor what that inner guidance is telling us. I think that's really important to tune in and listen. Yeah. That's another thing we have in common too, cause that's really been my focus, especially over the last year. I've been led that direction. And when we talk about our shifting roles, it's really, we're outgrowing things.

Kim Benoy: Yeah. When I left nursing, I expected that I'd feel sad about it or maybe I would regret it. and I didn't is the point. And someone pointed out to me, well, you just checked that box off. you were done with that. Now you're moving on to something else. Yeah. Yeah. It just helped me process that a little better and like, yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And yeah.

Rose Wippich: We have an attachment sometimes to things like, know, you'll always be a nurse. You'll always be someone who's an empath and a healer. You know, when you said nurse before, I thought of my own role as now I feel like I'm a healer in a way that I help guide others to help heal themselves. And you'll always have that as part of you. But yes, I think that when we when we change roles we're stepping through the way I look at it is that we either closing a book on a part of our lives. We're like, we're done with that book. We put it back on the shelves or a walking through a portal and we're taking parts of those cells and, you know, repurposing it. Yeah, I love that repurposing. Yeah. That just came to me. You know how we repurpose things in our house? Yeah. We're repurposing some of our skills. Right. And as we get to this point, too, we can look, what is our purpose? Well, we're repurposing what we've done and bringing it.

Kim Benoy: Yeah, or what do I want? You started off by saying like people ask themselves, women ask themselves, what do I do now? But the beauty of that, the power behind that is they're not saying, hopefully most women are not saying, I'm done. I don't want to do anything or I'm too old to do something because you're not. There's so much you could still do. And I think as women get older and they transition out of traditional roles, I think they start to feel this little fire energy inside that says, I want to do something different. What is it that I want to do? Yeah. There's possibilities start to open up. feel. Yes. Yeah. As long as you're open to them, right? Yes. Yeah. And I think, you you talk a lot about courage in your podcast and courage is a huge thing because we're afraid of stepping into something new. I find as I get older, I'm sometimes a little bit more fearful or that fear comes up and I have to work harder to say, okay, listen, I know stuff. I'm not afraid. can do this. Okay. I've done a lot of stuff in my past. This is okay. can get, I could get over this or I could do this. Right? Yeah. I try and point out to women who are feeling afraid to just take that first step. Think about what you've already done. did you raise a family? Did you get married and you still have a successful marriage. What did you do for corporate? Yeah. Your job, your career, your successful. We don't think about that. We don't appreciate ourselves enough. You know, as when we get to this point, sometimes we sometimes need someone to point that out. Like, look what you just did or look what you've done. That's the forgotten parts. Yeah. We forget. Yeah. And I think when we, for most of us that have been moms, once we are so aggrieved, absorbed in that role, everything else gets blurry, especially when you're raising twins, you know, and I'm speaking for myself, but, you know, like the first two years were blurry, but everything becomes like, like, my God, so far in the past. But once in a while I remind myself, like I had a good job for a long time and I was very successful in that job. And just now I'm reinventing myself and continuously reinventing myself.

Rose Wippich: Yeah, you're continuing your story. We talk a lot about stories. You're just continuing that story. Yeah. It's not over yet. I love that. Yeah. So let's go on to another topic that I think is really important for, especially for women at any stage of their lives. And that's boundaries and also taking care of what their energy is. And once in a while, maybe not all the time, but more times than not say no, instead of always being the first one to react or act when someone needs your help. we're the first ones on the front line when somebody asks something or they're asked, they ask of us and we're always saying, yes, we're going to help. And what that does is it depletes our energy. know, I studied traditional Chinese medicine and I worked with Chagong and Reiki. And when we're born, we're given so much energy. Like you have a bank account of this much energy in our lifestyle and our habits and our stress factor and everything can deplete it. So it's really important that we are aware of when we are feeling depleted. Like that could be through anxiety, that could be chronic pain, fatigue, your mind just being crazy, know, like just like always active. And it's important to recognize that and pause and say, okay, well, what do I need to do to replenish myself? Kim, you talked about self care, right? What does self care mean to somebody else? For me, it means one thing, doing my practices, pausing, you know, getting some space in my schedule so I could just hang out and read a book or watch a nice little, romantic Netflix show or something like that.

Kim Benoy: Yeah. So what does it mean for you, Kim? Self care. It's very similar to what you just said. I love to get away, like go away from, I work from home. So I like to go outside, get out in the outdoors, trees, sky, sunshine, hopefully it's the middle of winter right now. So there's not a lot of sunshine, but just getting outside, getting that fresh air. That's for me, I need to do that. And I will find myself getting to a point where I just feel scattered. I can't focus on anything. And I try and at first I'll be thinking, if I can just do this one thing, then I'll take a minute. But the more time that goes by and the older and wiser I get, I just realize you're not going to do anything well right now. So just take your time. Go for a walk, go outside, take the dog for a walk, listen to music, read a book, just step away. And that's my number one way I have to take care of myself, just step away from it. Yeah, I think that's great because there's so much chaos and so many distractions. Yes. And it's really important to pause because the less we do of taking care of ourselves, the more prone we are to getting physically and emotionally, mentally out of bounds. Social media too is something that I've been really trying to cut out as much as I can because I feel that that energy that's there. It's so draining and yeah, I just don't feel good. I don't feel right when I as I'm scrolling and reading and so I've really made an effort to just step away from it.

Rose Wippich: You know, I have this little voice in saying, yes, but you need it for your business. I'm thinking, the heck I do. Yeah. You know, I feel the same way. I've been even posting less on social media because at first I was like, do I post as much as what I feel everybody else is doing? Because I'm afraid I won't be seen. And we're going to talk a little bit about that feeling seen and heard and, and invisibility. But I said, no, because I. If I start to feel that way and start to post as much as what I feel everybody's doing, I'm going to be burnt out. You know, so I actually really just kind of organically stopped getting as involved in social media as well. And I think that that's a trend, you know, as far as trends go, I think that's happening because some of the things I see, I'm like, this is so fake. Is this real? Is that, don't know if that's really, know, and so it's like, it's, it's kind of silly. Um, it's not adding value to my life. So yeah, I think detoxing from the digital world is super important. I love that you brought that up. Yeah. It's just so pervasive right now. Yeah, no, I agree. And, know, I wanted to talk a little bit about energetic boundaries as well. Like even the people in your life, you know, I was thinking about a story about years ago, there was a woman who would call me up every morning and she would just like drain me. She would just complain and talk about everybody else and was not a nice person. She was very just low vibrational, let's put it that way, and it drained me for a long time. And then eventually she kind of cut me off because I think she felt that I wasn't really actively listening to her anymore or returning her calls. ghosted me and I was like, my gosh, I felt so good. And I didn't have the courage to do that because part of me was afraid of her. She was like so volatile. when that happened, I was like that shifted everything. And that made me realize like I really need to be discerning as to who I let in my life. And, if there's people in your life that you really can't let go of, like physically, but you can energetically. You can just like say to your mind, like, you know, I'm not going to get involved with. that person's, know, S H I T I I'm just going to let them be who they are and then create that little boundary, which we can around us. This energetic little armor or, you know, code of, of armor around us. Yeah. Do you think that situation was like a message for you? weren't, you weren't able to, on your own to say no.

Kim Benoy: Yeah, she was a teacher. in a way. Yeah. I realized that part of why I was hanging out with her was because I, she had like a little tribe of people and I didn't really like the other people, but she was the leader and, kind of controlled it. but then I had to really dig deep and learn a little bit more about like why I felt I needed her and why I didn't need her or that energy and that I can create my own community and my own group of people who are more supportive and more understanding and more spiritually guided. Yeah. I think that's more important to find your tribe. Definitely. Yeah. And when you find them, you know. Yes. And yes, like you and I, just chatted for five minutes and we were like, okay, we're going to do something different. we're going to start working together and collaborating. And I think what I love about being a podcaster and out in this environment is really connecting with people who are really truly resonating with my energy, what my vibration as yourself and others that I've met. And it's been a joy and it's really helped enrich my life even more. yeah. And isn't that amazing? It's through a screen and a microphone. Yeah, that vibration of travels and you know, right? It's like our auras are like out there saying, Ooh, you can really connect with that person and get you. Yeah. You connect. Yeah. Here, bring them together. I love that. That's amazing. Right? Yeah. The more I learn about this energy and these energy fields, I just, I'm just drawn to that. I love it. Well, you already are connected being a nurse and an empath working with people physically. You've already understood what it's like to be in someone else's energy and to read that. So, you know, it's part of everybody's toolkit is just being aware of it as it presents itself and how to work with it. Yeah. Yeah. Love it so much there. we were sort of our next topic, one of the topics here is is is purpose and meaningful work. And we talked a little bit more about that. So, yeah.

Rose Wippich: I think women, when they're caregivers, when they're working, it gives them purpose. And I think purpose and finding something meaningful is, important. Right. So, and as we, we move out of those roles, it's defining success differently. I feel is, you know, so like, Give us, I'll just take it from me how I define success. So we're just talking about meeting people that I can connect with and resonate with and work with. To me, that's successful. I mean, that's not bringing me like, you know, I'm not talking about monetary success because I've learned that that's needed in life, but I define success differently. And it's those connections that I have. And it's also like last year I wrote a book and I wanted to write a book for a long time. And after I wrote the book, I had to remind myself a couple of times, like Rose, you wrote a book. I'm like, yeah, that's right. That was a big deal. Yeah, that was a big accomplishment. OK. So I had that conversation in my head. recognizing even the smallest things in your life that you're doing that are so powerful and. consider those successes, you know, even raising my children was a huge success. having the podcast, having my healing business, teaching others, inspiring others. When somebody calls me and says, Rose, that podcast you had with that person, and that was so good, and I really loved it. I'm like, OK, well, that's like a success for me. Yeah. I love that. Because I'm kind of along the same wavelength, too. We look at success as a younger person as what the outside world says is success. And I think as I'm getting to this point in my life, you know, it's more, what do I feel is successful and very similar to yours. I get to sit in front of a microphone every week and share stories of beautiful, amazing women. And that lights me up and wow, that is wonderful. And no, I don't make millions of dollars. don't make many dollars at all out of this Same. but it's still, it's what lights me up and it's what I meant to do. And so, yeah, I totally agree with that. Yeah, we're redefining what success is. Yeah. I think that that's important that women also start to evaluate what that means for them and that it's not always about making money or having 10,000 followers on Instagram or anything like that. and also being guided.

Kim Benoy: by what you want to do and not, like you said, like worrying about what everybody else on the outside and whether it's social media or other people in your life defining what success is for you. I think as young people, you know, I'll speak to myself, like you said, society, your parents define what they want you to do or what you feel you should do. And for women, it's always been really hard to break the glass ceiling. That's a term used a long time ago, but that's getting to positions in corporate where it was, they were held by men and that was so hard. And when you got those spots, it was successful, even if you lost a piece of your soul. But now we can define success differently, more on our own terms. Right. one of the questions too, that we wanted to talk about along these lines were, what dreams come up for you. Yeah. But resurface. So the writing the book, I've always wanted to write a book and, also this podcast, I'll tell you a brief story is when I was growing up, I always wanted to be a journalist. mean, I wanted to be a sportscaster. I love sports. I used to write for the local papers, write for the school paper. It was like, so, so much wanted to do that. And then somebody in my life, important person said, You know, it's really hard for a woman to break that. And, you know, there was like one sportscaster at the time. It's really hard. It's a really hard business. Do you really want to do that? And I just like. That was it. I didn't pursue it. And I was like, my gosh. And I always asked myself, what if I did? Where would I have been? Where would it have taken me? But maybe I wouldn't have the kids and the husband and the place I'm living at, which I love. But now I'm doing the podcast. It's not any different. I write, I, on social media. So I have a present. So it all just got packaged differently. Yeah. And that's where I am now. So that was a dream that came full circle. That's so funny. And I don't know if we talked about this the first time we chatted, but that's similar to what I had planned to. when I got out of high school, I was on the school newspaper and when I got to college, I was going to be a journalist and I was on the TV station. Yeah, seriously. And then I realized, you know, I really want to have a husband and a family and I didn't think the two could work together. And so I turned a different path, now I'm years later here. I am doing a podcast. I feel like that was what I was meant to do. Yeah. No, we didn't talk about that. Okay. It's just amazing how, how that we have some similar stories. So yeah. if anyone listening, if you've always had a dream, if you want it to be an artist, there's no reason why you still can't, can't be an artist or a dancer. You know, you can dance, maybe you're not dancing on stage or maybe you are, or you want to be an actor or an actress or anything, writer. Right? Yeah. Take a class. Start writing. Don't be afraid.

Rose Wippich: Don't be afraid, just do it. recently my dad gave me a violin that my great grandpa played. I guess he was a very talented musician and I've always wanted to play an instrument and it just never happened. Now that I have this violin, I'm thinking, here we go. Why not? Why not? That's probably in my future. going to learn how to, I've learned that it's one of the hardest instruments that you can learn, but you know, so what? Yeah. I mean, why not? Right? Why not? It was a gift for a reason. your, grandfather is somehow giving that gift to you. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So never too late. Never too late. So let's talk a little bit about visibility. You can start with that topic about, your voice and how some women feel like they're taking up space and are afraid to get out there in the world. Yeah, probably last year, I started realizing through some things that I was, learning that I felt invisible. I've always felt a little invisible and in midlife, we have this need to feel more visible. want to, you know, we want to take up space. we want to be seen and valued basically is what it's come down to. And I love how you have the sovereignty And so I really had to work on that being visible and being comfortable with that and okay with that and even like looking for that and relishing it and

Kim Benoy: And as even as part of my podcast, I started five years ago and it was only maybe last year where I thought, okay, it's not, I was thinking of myself as, well, it's my podcast, but I'm just here to highlight these other women. And it kind of started to dawn on me that, this is my podcast and it's my voice and that's important too. And that one little thought has really energized me to even step more into my, into me. You're like, look at me. I'm here. And I ties into what you talk about too. So I just, I just feel so right. It feels right. Like here I am. I know if you love me, great. If you don't, that's okay too. Girl, you said my words. I love it. Exactly how I felt. Five years ago, I started this podcast in the past. You know, it was meant as a platform to highlight amazing people, which I have wholeheartedly and I still do. But this year I was like, you know what? I something to say. Yeah. And I'm starting to show up a little bit more with my own messaging. And I think that's how you feel the same and and show my authenticity and and not have a veil of. you know, someone else's words or someone else's way of showing up. I'm showing up the way I want to show up. Yes. Yeah, I'd love that. And that's important that women do that too. But I struggle with that visibility as well. I mean, we have a platform, so we're here, we're in front of the crowd, we're, you know, on camera, but there's also visibility even in your day to day. You know, everybody looks at younger people and, people who are midlife and beyond, maybe not so much, but, you know, I, I want to be recognized for my wisdom and for all the things that I've done. have something to say. And for many years, I didn't say things because I said to myself, nobody would want to hear me anyway. And I've had to change that because I've got a lot to say. And I will express myself and be visible. And there's nothing wrong with that. And I think that all women should not feel that they're in the background, but to get out in front because that's where you need to be. You need to be there to show others the amazing person you are and to guide all the other women that are coming up in life and mentor them. So we have to shift the way we feel about that visibility. Yeah, definitely.

Rose Wippich: And when you do and you feel it, other people notice it. Yes. That energy is that energy. It's that energy. I go to a networking meeting in my area and and the last meeting, one of the ladies came up to me and she said, I don't know what you're doing, but I see you being more out. Like I see you basically is what she said. You are more comfortable. are. You are here with a message and I'm just letting you know that I can see it. And that to me was like gold. Thank you. Hello. It's working. love that. But it comes from inside, right? It comes from that. That pause and reconnecting to your voice inside and that expression, that unique sense of expression and voice and authenticity. And when you let that guide you and let that come out, It changes everything and it changes the way people look at you just like that woman. I love that. That was a huge validation for you. It was nice, right? it's amazing. Yeah. And you know, I think more women should I love to do this too. And maybe this is this is actually not off topic because when I see someone out when I'm shopping, let's say I'm at TJ Maxx, which I am like once a week and I see some woman who has like really beautiful makeup and she could be like 80 years old and like, you look really good or. You look really awesome in that outfit. And I mean it. Yeah. thank you. And because I'm showing them that they are seen and they're visible and you know, just to validate them. And I love that. I love bringing a smile to someone's face, but I do it with like, with feeling and, and yeah.

Kim Benoy: You know, mean it and connecting with other women too. And we let go of that competition crap we had when we were young. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. We're all in this together. Yeah. And there's still women who still feel that way and that's fine. But you know, I go out with no makeup and I'm not worried about how I look because as long as I feel good, I'm good. You know, yeah. Who cares? So yeah. I love that. that kind of segues into the one of the topics we want to talk about was relationships. Yeah. And authentic connections with other people. How our friendships may be changed as we go along. Do we want to slip into that topic for a minute? Yeah, sure. Yeah. I don't know if you've had any friendships that have changed. I definitely have as we go through our life. Yeah, I have. Yeah.

Rose Wippich: Do you want to share some of that or do want me to go first? do you go? Yeah, we can talk about it. Yeah, I have kind of both ways. I've people who I've been close to in the past have kind of drifted off and I've also had people I've reconnected with because we've paid attention and paid more time. I had some college girlfriends that we haven't seen each other in years and one of them, invited us all to her house up in Northern Wisconsin for a weekend. And that was a year ago. And we've We've continued to do it every few months. And the second time we met, said, you know, I've seen this group more in the last year than I have since college. And she said, we're making the time to do it now. And I'm yeah. So it's important to us. we're making the time. So I think as. things change and people maybe drift away. It's maybe that relationship has reached its, it's not on say end, but maybe it isn't ending in a way. I think endings in relationships happen a lot for me. And I often question why, like why have I not heard from that person? and I have to say, I mourn those moments because I, really have tried to nurture individual relationships, especially with other moms, but then maybe our children are now in college or someone has moved and it's harder. And I have a hard time letting go, but I'm learning that it's just meant to be that way. And we still have a thread or two of that connection. It's not just like constant. And, but I've also created mindfully smaller groups that I connect with on a regular basis with group chats and you know, we get together. I have my little Reiki groups that I've nurtured and we are close and when we need each other, we text each other for healing or whatever it is, you know. Yeah. And I've also had some people that I've reconnected with at the right time when I needed to have them either as a friend, a teacher. And I think the same goes with teachers in our lives. I've had a lot of teachers in my life, whether through yoga or Chagang or spiritually, we connect with them, we learn from them, and then we kind of let them go. And those are relationships that, you know, we let go because we get to a point where we've become less of a student and more of someone who's like a self-contained healer. You know, yeah.

Kim Benoy: But relationships are defined differently for everybody. But I think that, you know, having a social aspect in your life is really important, especially as we age, because we don't want to feel isolated. and I struggle with that because I love to be home and do my thing and read my book. And but sometimes I'm like, you know what, I need to have those social connections. How do you feel about that? Yeah, I agree. And I'm the same way too. I kind of like winter because if there's a really nice snowstorm, I'm really excited because it means I don't have to go anywhere. Me too. But yes, the connection with other women and going out like socially, yes, I totally, I think I crave it sometimes too, I think now we have to really pay attention to that and make more of an effort sometimes to do that. Because it is so easy to just text. I I have a group of friends too that we have a text chat that we, every day we text something, share or whatever. So that's easy, but trying to make time to get together in person is a little more challenging sometimes. But we can do it, but we can make it happen. And I think like to your point, it's important that we have that physical in person connection. yeah, winter, me too, winter, I feel like I'm in a snow globe. Yeah, the snow's on the outside and I'm in my little warm little cozy home. then spring and summer, you know, the time of rising energy where we get out in nature and we see other people and it's like, you feel really good and you want to make those connections. And yeah, it's just a cycle. I think it's just like anything else. it's a cycle, just like what our friends coming in and out, but Yeah, but it's really important to make those connections because even as mothers, we sometimes tend to isolate ourselves when our children are young. And one of the things I wanted to mention too, is that I stopped drinking two and a half years ago. And friendships change. Oh, sure. Right. And that was my biggest fear. Talk about courage. I know people are going to either not hang out with me more or whatever it is. And it's all good. But I haven't changed who I was as a person. relationships change and that's okay. I've learned to accept that because what I was doing for myself was more important. And I do see those people once in a while. it's just not as often because we don't have that commonality of going out and drinking or having dinner and drinking and having cocktails. You right? Yeah. So about the cocktail. So for me, I've had to accept that and I'm, I'm okay because I feel healthier and I feel good and happy and that's my vibe. Yeah. You did what you had to do for yourself first. Absolutely. There we go. That's going into that self again. Yeah. Yeah. So we should probably wrap up soon. Right. the last topic is about joy, freedom and what's possible now or at any time actually. So I just want to say for me joy or contentment means waking up and knowing that I'm being guided to do my best work, stay in a high vibration, do what's best for myself as well, not feel guilty about pleasures in life, whatever that means for you, and you can label that in any way. knowing that I'm here to guide other women, especially, on a journey to sovereignty and to living their life fully, and that makes me happy.

Rose Wippich: So to find what makes you content or anybody content, that's what you need to do because you make your own happiness. Don't look outside of someone else for that happiness. love that. That's similar for me too. I literally, when I am happy about something or I'm feeling joyful, I literally clap my hands like I just did. It just comes out. and people who know that about me, when they see me do it, you're happy. We like that. That's good. but it is usually something along the lines where I've found a way to work with someone else. Like, not work, but collaborate, like you said, too, and come together with a common message that you matter and I matter. And that just lights me up. That's why I do what I do. And that's what gets me out of bed in the morning. But I feel so right about it. That that energy just is there and it's amazing. And it's just guiding me to where I need to be. that, yeah. And you've used the term And I use this a lot as well, lights me up. So the message for everyone out there is what lights you up? Yeah. And allow that, that energy, that light to take you wherever you need to go to make your life just magnificent and magical. Right? Yes, definitely. That's, that's a question I answered. That's what started me all on this podcast journey. I answered that question and here I am. And I love that. And I'm so happy and grateful that I've met you and that we decided to do this collaboration together. And this will show up as our separate podcast, but it's one episode that we decided to do together and share with everyone. So thank you, Kim. Thank you so much. And I would like to just chime in and say, We'd love to get some feedback on this from the people listening as well. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. If you're listening midlife with courage, there's a little box that you can click to say, send me a text and you can give us feedback there. think you do something similar with your as well. can email me. Kim, just talk a little bit more about yourself. Then we can end the show, with each of us doing that. Sure. Yeah. midlife with courage, if you want to find me, that's what you can type in anywhere. I have a website, Midlife with Courage, and my podcast, of course. I really am focused, as I said, about sharing stories of other women who have amazing journeys and messages to share. And I'm also, this year, well, 2025, I started delving into some courage and confidence activities with other women. So I have a courage and confidence circle and... an online community called Midlife with Courage. in the Skool platform. And I would love to have people reach out to me and see how we can connect and do some great things together. love that. And I get all your emails too. And I'm on your Facebook group. So I encourage everybody to do that. And I'm Rose Wippich and I am the producer and host of Chat Off the Mat. You can find me at rosewippich.com with my offerings. I'm also the author of Empress Rising, own your energy, trust your wisdom and rewrite the rules of aging. So if you need to contact either one of us, please feel free. We would love to hear from you. Thank you. Thank you, Rose. This has been amazing.